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Checking your browser before accessing qguxn11nou46.xn--0--72-uweh3am4bpheo.xn--p1ai.This process is automatic. Your browser will redirect to your requested content shortly. Please allow up to 3 seconds... Bad Bot protection by AntiBot.Cloud Your IP: 168.138.10.127 I have a 3/4 year old LG monitor which is a TN panel. I recently started photography and have dabbled in some very minor RAW editing. Long story short, the prints came back (from my local generic photo lab) way over saturated compared to what I saw on my monitor. After some quick research I discovered I want an IPS monitor for more accurate colour matching. I also learnt most regular printing labs will use sRGB colour profiles, correct? So (finally!) to my question: is 72% NTSC gamut the same as 100% sRGB? 99% of the monitors I have looked at say 72% NTSC but the other 1% say 95/100% sRGB and it has me all in a muckin' fuddle. BONUS QUESTION: My current LG is 18.5" and I'm choosing between a 21.5" and 23". I don't want to wreck my eyes so would the 23" be too much? 21.5" up from 18.5" doesn't seem that much on my measuring stick. MOD Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,225 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote: I'll let our color science wizards answer the gamut question; I've read that sRGB is 72% of NTSC, but does that mean the coverage is identical? I don't know. BONUS QUESTION: My current LG is 18.5" and I'm choosing between a 21.5" and 23". I don't want to wreck my eyes so would the 23" be too much? 21.5" up from 18.5" doesn't seem that much on my measuring stick. Monitor size alone won't wreck your eyes; I use displays ranging from 13" to 40". What can matter for viewing comfort is a reasonable match of display size, display resolution, and viewing distance, and even that isn't critical. For both monitor sizes you mention, I'd suggest 1920x1080 as a very common and reasonably priced resolution. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Sony a7R IV Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Panasonic Lumix G Macro 30mm F2.8 Panasonic 12-60mm F3.5-5.6 OIS +6 more (unknown member) • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,585 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote: If you're going to get into printing, whether doing them yourself, or sending them out, you'll need to color manage your monitor by calibrating it using monitor calibrating software such as X-Rite's Color Munki or Data Color's Spyder5 Pro You'll also need to save your images in a color profile scheme such as Adobe 1998 and/or converse with the print shop what profile and file format they'd like you to use for their print workflow. After some quick research I discovered I want an IPS monitor for more accurate colour matching. I also learnt most regular printing labs will use sRGB colour profiles, correct? The sRGB color profile is the least profile you want to use for printing as it displays the least amount of colors (in keeping things simple). Adobe RGB 1998 is a good starting point for any good print house. So (finally!) to my question: is 72% NTSC gamut the same as 100% sRGB? 99% of the monitors I have looked at say 72% NTSC but the other 1% say 95/100% sRGB and it has me all in a muckin' fuddle. It would be far easier to have you check out some basic color management info. This video is a good starting point - Color Managemt 101 It also explains monitor calibration. -- hide signature -- An education validates that you know what you're talking about. naththo • Contributing Member • Posts: 911 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question ADMint wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote: Some monitor with 72% NTSC still have under 99-100% of sRGB Im afraid which are common. Cheaper LCD IPS will have around 80-90% sRGB to better quality around over 90% to 100%. Some panel may have 6 bit only and 262K colours. Thats the problem. Best to look out for the one that has 8 bit or better and 16.7m or better, so that banding is minimal and not bothering your eyes from what you see, banding can be bothersome to see on screen from 6 bit/262k monitor. Eyes are sensitive to what you see. Be sure to get flicker free with no PWM cos it is bad for eyes from flicker screen. Best place to check review of monitor are: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/testberichte.html < Best use German language as they have latest review and use Google Chrome that it will translate for you, dialogue on the top right should come up to ask you want to translate? To lookup for the LCD Panel information is: http://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch Why is important? Because if review shows what brand number of inside monitor is you can go to panel lookup, put in and search, it will give you result of what factory setting of brightness, contrast ratio, colours per bit, etc will be like. That give you the idea of it. Always avoid the lower number, the more banding, poor colours will be. For notebook review to check on monitor quality go to http://www.notebookcheck.net/Reviews.55.0.html You can search for the notebook you are looking for and see if it has notebookcheck review, not external review. They check display quality. For the last reply that is excellent to talk about monitor calibration its worth watching video. Hope this helps! Nathan. Sony Alpha NEX-7 Sony a7 Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A Sigma 19mm F2.8 DN | A +5 more (unknown member) • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,585 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question In reply to naththo • Dec 10, 2016 You're replying to the wrong person. You should be replying to MajesticBeardsman. -- hide signature -- An education validates that you know what you're talking about. Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote: ADMint has provided a good summary. The most important thing at this point, is to ensure that whatever monitor you use is calibrated. That involves having the sensor / puck such as those he mentioned (X Rite or Spyder) and using the calibration software provided. Until only just a few days ago, for a couple of years I was using an old ACER TN panel, calibrated with an X Rite puck (sensor), and prints I get from my local (commercial, non specialist lab) are more or less what I see on screen. So, calibration will get you to a point, almost regardless of monitor quality. (But note what I say about Color Managed workflow below). However, getting into color spaces and gamut is a more involved matter and if you search for discussions on this forum and the retouching forum, people like Pictus, Andrew Rodney and AD Mint have been providing some very good information on this. This is the calibration sensor that I use and it is also from X Rite, has a bit more facility than the Colormunki Display (as opposed to the Colormunki Photo which also is more advanced). This comes with calibration software for your computer. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/798930-REG/X_Rite_EODIS3_i1Display_Pro.html However, if you want to really Color Manage your whole workflow, which is actually the wider aim, the kit with the Color Checker passport may be good, but you must know how to adjust your color profiles in your software of choice, such as Lightroom, Photoshop or Capture One. The point of the Color Managed Workflow is to get colors right from the time of shooting via sample targets at the point of photo to the computer software and then the printer. The larger kit comes with both the monitor calibration software and also X Rite Passport software that I think only works with Adobe products, However, the color chart is what is useful even with such as Capture One, but you need to know how to use it for that. Search the web for articles on Color Managed workflows, some articles by Andrew Rodney. kit with Color Checker Passport (a color chart on passport size form). https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/859820-REG/X_Rite_EODIS3CCPP_i1Display_Pro_and_ColorChecker.html On the size of screen, my new screen is 24 inch, just an inch larger than my old screen. Many are going for even larger screens. I think that 24 inch is a minimum size you should use,, but with larger screens you can get more resolution. Up to you. See discussions on screens on this board also. Good Luck. -- hide signature -- Wishing You Good Light. Nikon D4 Nikon AF-S Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8G ED Phase One Capture One Pro mclewis • Senior Member • Posts: 1,683 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote: So (finally!) to my question: is 72% NTSC gamut the same as 100% sRGB? 99% of the monitors I have looked at say 72% NTSC but the other 1% say 95/100% sRGB and it has me all in a muckin' fuddle. Specifying colour gamuts in reference to NTSC is pointless as it is not used any more and when it was used it was only used on televisions in North America. It has never been relevant for computer screens. Half decent monitors should specify gamuts in terms of a RGB colourspace such as sRGB BONUS QUESTION: My current LG is 18.5" and I'm choosing between a 21.5" and 23". I don't want to wreck my eyes so would the 23" be too much? 21.5" up from 18.5" doesn't seem that much on my measuring stick. I wouldn't go below 24" screens for desktop monitors. Don't have a resolution below 1920x1080 as well. Your eyes will be fine. Millions of people happily use screens that are larger than 23". naththo • Contributing Member • Posts: 911 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question In reply to mclewis • Dec 10, 2016 mclewis wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote: So (finally!) to my question: is 72% NTSC gamut the same as 100% sRGB? 99% of the monitors I have looked at say 72% NTSC but the other 1% say 95/100% sRGB and it has me all in a muckin' fuddle. Just be careful though cos if you go for 4K monitor you will end up need faster video card that will cost you more though. This I have is LG 27MU67 and is a 4K, cost me nearly $800 AUD, and had to upgrade to ATI R9 390 cost me nearly $500 AUD. Not cheap for upgrading to 4K monitor that has to go with higher spec video card to cope with 4K resolution. Sony Alpha NEX-7 Sony a7 Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A Sigma 19mm F2.8 DN | A +5 more larry • Contributing Member • Posts: 889 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question 1 MB, You're probably confused as heck after reading all that. Just start out simple. Get a nicer, newer 24" monitor. It's a common size, and you have lots of reasonably-priced choices. Do web searches for reviews, to see which monitors are better. There are not a lot of reviews of monitors on the web. You do NOT need a wide-gamut monitor. If you print using sRGB files, there's little reason to spend the extra money. (Understand that many of us posters carry everything to the extreme, so there will be feedback on what I just wrote). If you -do- find an aRGB/wide-gamut monitor that you like, know that the hardware calibration device you get must take that into account. You *cannot* calibrate a monitor by eye. At some point, you will want to get a 'puck'. That's a whole 'nother ball of worms. For now, just find a better monitor to start off with. Oh, and printing companies can make mistakes, too. Again, do some searches on 'good printer services' or somesuch. Most of them process sRGB files, and won't take into account aRGB/ProPhoto gamuts. Their websites should explain which gamuts they can handle. Again, it's another ball of worms for you to untangle later. Billiam29 • Senior Member • Posts: 2,668 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question ImageAmateur wrote: The software that comes with the X-rite Color Checker Passport generates Adobe DNG profiles (.dcp files). Capture One Pro does not use these. It only uses ICC color profiles (.icc files). I believe the Affinity Photo application for the Mac is the same, supporting only ICC profiles. I have not personally ever seen anything I would consider an independent explanation as to why you would/wouldn't want to use DNG profiles or why a software developer would/wouldn't choose to support them. Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question In reply to larry • Dec 10, 2016 larry wrote: Confused? Yah, just a little! I am VERY new to photography, just purchased a G7 some 2ish weeks ago. The main question I was going to ask was that if a photo lab only prints in sRGB there is little point in me getting a wider gamut monitor, but you pretty much answered that already. For the foreseeable future I'll only be uploading my photos online or printing mostly regular sized photos for myself and friends/family. I want to get the colours as close to a match as I can without spending a ton on extra stuff such as wide gamut capabilities; websites only show the sRGB range as far as I know. IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? As for size, I know 24" should be minimum but due space constraints I could maybe squeeze in a 23" but 21.5" would be a better fit on my desk. Still better than my current 18.5 though! Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question In reply to mclewis • Dec 10, 2016 mclewis wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote: So (finally!) to my question: is 72% NTSC gamut the same as 100% sRGB? 99% of the monitors I have looked at say 72% NTSC but the other 1% say 95/100% sRGB and it has me all in a muckin' fuddle. That may be the case but for the majority of PC monitors I've looked at all but one said 72%NTSC. The one monitor that didn't is a ViewSonic and they state it as 95% sRGB. It's confusing when companies don't state it clearly. MOD Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,225 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote: IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? Just because a monitor is IPS doesn't necessarily mean that it's color-accurate or covers 100% of sRGB; it mainly means that the colors and contrast don't change as much as viewing angles change. If you can find a monitor model that's been tested by reputable websites and found to be fairly color-accurate out of the box, you might be able to do without a hardware calibration device for now; a lot depends on how picky you are about color accuracy. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Sony a7R IV Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Panasonic Lumix G Macro 30mm F2.8 Panasonic 12-60mm F3.5-5.6 OIS +6 more Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question Austinian wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote: IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? Ok, thanks for the reply. As you may have seen above most of the monitors I have looked at state their gamut as 72% NTSC which as far as i'm aware means very little these days especially as I don't know how that translates to sRGB. I found one panel within my budget and size that states 95% sRGB. Thoughts on how to proceed? MOD Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,225 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote:Austinian wrote:Ok, thanks for the reply. As you may have seen above most of the monitors I have looked at state their gamut as 72% NTSC which as far as i'm aware means very little these days especially as I don't know how that translates to sRGB. I found one panel within my budget and size that states 95% sRGB. Thoughts on how to proceed?MajesticBeardsman wrote: IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? I've been wondering; where are you finding so many monitors with gamuts specified as % of NTSC? I don't recall ever seeing that. All I can suggest is to try this Newegg page, narrow it down with your size, price, and resolution, and start looking! Hopefully, some descriptions will include color gamut and accuracy. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=ips+monitor&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1 Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Sony a7R IV Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Panasonic Lumix G Macro 30mm F2.8 Panasonic 12-60mm F3.5-5.6 OIS +6 more CAcreeks • Forum Pro • Posts: 19,420 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote: Confused? Yah, just a little! I am VERY new to photography, just purchased a G7 some 2ish weeks ago. You did not say what software you are using to edit and view photos. My hunch is that you are having more problems between your photos and the printer, than between your photos and the monitor. It would be best to get a color profile for your local photo finisher. Then you can "soft proof" an image before asking them to print it. The main question I was going to ask was that if a photo lab only prints in sRGB there is little point in me getting a wider gamut monitor, but you pretty much answered that already. Wide gamut is probably not advisable for you, as a self confessed beginner. For the foreseeable future I'll only be uploading my photos online or printing mostly regular sized photos for myself and friends/family. I want to get the colours as close to a match as I can without spending a ton on extra stuff such as wide gamut capabilities; websites only show the sRGB range as far as I know. When you upload photos for viewing on the Web, or when you send them to friends by email, you should not use the same color profile as for your print service. You want something close to sRGB. IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? Some monitors are factory calibrated so they are relatively close to a custom calibrated monitor. Others are way off. Possibly you can rent color calibration tools and see if you think it's worthwhile to own them in the long run. As for size, I know 24" should be minimum but due space constraints I could maybe squeeze in a 23" but 21.5" would be a better fit on my desk. Still better than my current 18.5 though! The Dell U2415 is a 24" IPS monitor with very narrow bezel, so it takes up about as much space as a 22-23" monitor. Dell claims it has 99% sRGB with deltaE < 3. The best part is that it's 1920x1200 instead of 1080 so your camera images fit the screen better without wasting space on left and right. Amazon and B&H sell it for $239. Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question Austinian wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote:I've been wondering; where are you finding so many monitors with gamuts specified as % of NTSC? I don't recall ever seeing that.Austinian wrote:Ok, thanks for the reply. As you may have seen above most of the monitors I have looked at state their gamut as 72% NTSC which as far as i'm aware means very little these days especially as I don't know how that translates to sRGB. I found one panel within my budget and size that states 95% sRGB. Thoughts on how to proceed?MajesticBeardsman wrote: IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? Check these out under specifications and see for yourself! It's so annoying I'm in the UK, if that makesany difference. http://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-22MP68VQ-P?returnFlag=Y http://www.asus.com/uk/Monitors/VZ229H/specifications/ Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question In reply to CAcreeks • Dec 10, 2016 CAcreeks wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote: Confused? Yah, just a little! I am VERY new to photography, just purchased a G7 some 2ish weeks ago.You did not say what software you are using to edit and view photos. My hunch is that you are having more problems between your photos and the printer, than between your photos and the monitor. It would be best to get a color profile for your local photo finisher. Then you can "soft proof" an image before asking them to print it. I'll be using free software such as Zoner photo studio or Photoscape X Pro (if you have a better free recommendation please let me know) as I'm in the learning stages of editing and photography generally and am very much a beginner.I just want the best bang for my buck and the right basic tools for the job. Maybe/probably get LR in the future depending on my progress and skill down the line. The reason I'm looking into a new monitor (I wanted a new one anyway regardless) is because I edited a few pictures of some bright and colourful birds and on my monitor they looked the same as when I saw them in front of me. However when I got them printed they came out way over saturated and not realistic at all. I'll never be doing anything professional, this is for personal prints and web use only so I don't need anything wider than plain vanilla sRGB. The place I'll most likely get my prints done from is only a small store within a store type store setup but they seem good. I guess they're using sRGB but I should probably ask. My main issue is here in the UK (if it matters) I keep seeing monitors which say they're 72% NTSC which means nothing to me. Have only seen one which says 95% sRGB. So for my needs, what would you recommend? Sorry if I'm being overly dense on this thread. MOD Austinian • Forum Pro • Posts: 14,225 Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question MajesticBeardsman wrote:Austinian wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote:I've been wondering; where are you finding so many monitors with gamuts specified as % of NTSC? I don't recall ever seeing that.Austinian wrote:Ok, thanks for the reply. As you may have seen above most of the monitors I have looked at state their gamut as 72% NTSC which as far as i'm aware means very little these days especially as I don't know how that translates to sRGB. I found one panel within my budget and size that states 95% sRGB. Thoughts on how to proceed?MajesticBeardsman wrote: IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? It makes a difference mostly in that some monitors have different model numbers for different markets, and I do see the gamuts refer to CIE1931 and NTSC rather than sRGB. I couldn't find out about the LG's sRGB, but that Asus looks pretty sweet in terms of features for money, and I did find this: "This LED-backlit display covers the entire sRGB color space — ensuring extremely accurate color reproduction for professional-grade photo and video editing, or for home entertainment." https://www.asus.com/Monitors/VZ229H/ So that just might work for you. Panasonic Lumix DC-G9 Sony a7R IV Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Panasonic Lumix G Macro 30mm F2.8 Panasonic 12-60mm F3.5-5.6 OIS +6 more Re: Simple PC monitor gamut question Austinian wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote:Austinian wrote:MajesticBeardsman wrote:I've been wondering; where are you finding so many monitors with gamuts specified as % of NTSC? I don't recall ever seeing that.Austinian wrote:Ok, thanks for the reply. As you may have seen above most of the monitors I have looked at state their gamut as 72% NTSC which as far as i'm aware means very little these days especially as I don't know how that translates to sRGB. I found one panel within my budget and size that states 95% sRGB. Thoughts on how to proceed?MajesticBeardsman wrote: IPS panels are known for displaying colours much more accurately than TN panels. Do I realistically still need to calibrate the monitor? If yes, what kind of improvements will I notice compared to prints despite it already being IPS instead of TN? That does indeed look promising. I also discovered this article which basically says 72% NTSCis generally 100% sRGB. How accurate do we think this is? https://www.lifewire.com/lcd-monitors-and-color-gamuts-833038 P.s Say I found a monitor with 95% sRGB, would this be good enough for an amateur/hobbyist to get good results when printing? Would have to be calibrated of course... |
